Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Admissions and suspicions

A U.S. Army Reserve major challenged orders sending him to Afghanistan on the grounds that the orders were not lawful, because Obama is not actually eligible, due to being born outside of the U.S. or its territories, and not a citizen.

He won the challenge.

I argued, as this topic came up just after the election, that there was no way that a man who was not actually eligible could make it all the way through the primaries, and be named the party candidate. I mean, McCain demonstrated that, though he was born in Panama, he was born to two U.S. citizen parents, in territory basically owned by the United States.

Obama was not born to two U.S. citizens. And apparently, the army has doubts that his certificate of live birth in a Hawaiian hospital isn't valid. And no one has seen his official birth certificate.

The White House backpedaled awfully fast on the soldier's deployment for this to have no credibility. There hasn't been anything else said--not why, nor any punishment for the refusal to obey orders.

I suspect that we may well see our military take action to protect our Constitution, along the lines of what just happened in Honduras.

8 comments:

  1. Re: "I mean, McCain demonstrated that, though he was born in Panama, he was born to two U.S. citizen parents..."

    Actually, he didn't. McCain only said that both his parents were US citizens. He didn't prove it. To prove it, he would have had to show both of his parents' birth certificates, and his father's could have been issued 90 or a 100 years before the election.

    This is one of the problems with the "two parents are needed" criteria. To prove it, you have to produce the birth certificates or naturalization papers for the parents, which may be very difficult considering the time involved. And then, if you do prove the US citizenship of the father, can you prove that the man who is said to be your father is REALLY your father?

    Until this election, no president or candidate has ever tried to prove that he was eligible. The records of some of them were lost. Lincoln could not prove that he was born in the USA (no birth records.)

    But, Obama has proven that he was born in the USA with an official birth certificate that has been confirmed by the officials in Hawaii. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

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  2. I believe you missed my point. Whether or not Obama was born a United States citizen, it seems that nobody believes he was. And no, a certificate of live birth--which is all he has produced to this point--is not an official birth certificate. The point is moot: if he is or if he isn't legally eligible, he managed to get elected. Removing him at this point through proving him ineligible would bring about a bloodbath.

    The ominous point here is that the United States Armed Forces apparently do not believe that his orders are lawful. If they did, they would be putting this guy into Levinworth for a very long time. That they simply rescinded his deployment order speaks volumes.

    That the Obama administration isn't insisting upon it speaks volumes as well, and people are listening.

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  3. Re: "it seems that nobody believes he was. And no, a certificate of live birth--which is all he has produced to this point--is not an official birth certificate."

    I believe he was.
    And, a certification of live birth IS an official birth certificate. In this case it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii sends out to people who ask for it, and it is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the US State Department for issuing passports. And there is this: http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

    Plus the absence of any documents from Kenya.

    I suggest that you look up Birth Certificate. Both short-form and long-form certificates are legal birth certificates. Hawaii simply issues the short form, and only the short-form, and other states do too.

    As for the US Armed Forces, I saw all the Joint Chiefs of Staff at his inaugural and at the State of the Union Address.

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  4. Re your comment about not prosecuting. It seems that the fellow volunteered to go to Afghanistan before launching the lawsuit to not go.

    And the reporting on it says that since he volunteered the deal is apparently that he has the right to rescind that action and ask not to go. This seems possible, and if so it is the reason that he is not being prosecuted. If this is not true, then he has not been prosecuted YET. (You know that he lost his job?)

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  5. Again, you missed my point. Obama's acting suspicious in the eyes of a whole lot of people, like he doesn't want something to come out in an inquiry. And, while I don't like him and don't like his policies, I still think it would be a disaster if those who are trying to get his election overturned succeed--the system works because people have confidence in it. Once people lose confidence (which is what I'm seeing signs of), anarchy may well follow.

    That is my point. I'd have been much happier if all of this had simply never come up.

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  6. Re: "Obama's acting suspicious in the eyes of a whole lot of people, like he doesn't want something to come out in an inquiry."

    Obama is not acting suspiciousLY. Suspicions are being manufactured. Thus we see articles that raise the issue of Obama being born in Kenya based on the simple fact that a newspaper in Ghana made an error, writing that Obama "returned to the continent of his birth" instead of "returned to the continent of his father's birth."

    The typo of a Ghana newspaper is normally ignored. Surely they must make many.

    This is the Big Lie Technique, which simply repeats the lie again and again and again until someone believes "where there is smoke there is fire." For example, I could claim that the Queen of England's father was not really George VI and hence she was not eligible. And then I'd say: "look at all the reports (by me and others who agree with me) that her father was not George VI, which doesn't she prove that he was her father?" And then I'd say: "this would all go away if she would just prove that he was her father."

    I also would be happier if the birthers did not believe that the world was flat or that 2+2 equals 5. I have simply pointed out the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii and that there is ample evidence of it.

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  7. Imagine this........

    A man gets stuck in a time warp right after 091101 and he comes out of the warp the first month
    in 2009.....he suddenly finds out that Barak Hussein Obama
    is the president!

    My god he shouts, the mooosies
    won!

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  8. Re: "the mooosies
    won!"

    There is a great restaurant in San Francisco called Moose's. I take it you are referring to the owner of that restaurant.

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